Number of posts : 1216 Age : 57 Where I am : san diego Reputation : 2 Registration date : 2007-01-25
Subject: Russia 2018, Qatar 2022 Thu Dec 02, 2010 4:18 pm
Really!?!?!?!?!? Somebody actually thinks having a World Cup in Qatar is a good idea?!? Is anybody going to go to a country where alcohol is illegal, average temp in the summer is 118F , and thousands of terrorists are a tank full of gas away?
Somebody please explain how this is for the good of the game
lodgebo
Number of posts : 524 Age : 47 Where I am : Edinburgh where drink is cheap and women are cheaper Reputation : 10 Registration date : 2007-11-20
Subject: Re: Russia 2018, Qatar 2022 Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:06 pm
Not that I can see Scotland being there for eithier tournament but Quatar was a surprising choice for me as Mr F said there is the issue with alochol and the rest this place has stricts laws on everything pretty sure it's illegal to show to much skin like wearing a sleveless shirt but the biggest thing is this is a country that has no experience of hosting major events, I personally would have loved to seee the Ozzies get it but i dont even know if they applied for 2022. I wouldnt worry to much about the terror threat fans are going to at just as much risk in Russia ( Checyan terrorism) or the UK (Al Quieda) it can happen anywhere.
TBH I am not to crazy about Russia getting the tournament eithier I mean it's hardly the most open country in the world is it.
White Tiger
Number of posts : 586 Age : 37 Where I am : Portsmouth, Hampshire Reputation : 6 Registration date : 2007-11-20
Subject: Re: Russia 2018, Qatar 2022 Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:24 pm
I think the point was to support "developing" nations rather than established ones so FIFA looked for someone who could develop the sport in their nation rather than ones that would just "benefit" from it. To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if the votes were bought by Russia and Quatar - FIFA hardly has a spotless reputation where curruption is concerned - but I couldn't care less in truth, I dont follow international football and couldn't give a damn about the World Cup - I watched Top Gear instead of the World Cup Final this year!! - so I cant bring myself to have an opinion one way or another.
On a side note I do remember Sepp Blatter telling the Australians not to put in a bid this time because he would not allow any bids from Oceania to be considered this time round. I still say he should be fired!!!
gaboman
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Subject: Re: Russia 2018, Qatar 2022 Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:41 pm
That's one way to stamp out football hooliganism, I guess. I couldn't really care less where it is, since I only ever see the games on TV anyway. The government of Qatar can't stop me from drinking at home, can they?
fuscia
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Subject: Re: Russia 2018, Qatar 2022 Fri Dec 03, 2010 12:47 am
Qatar is a poor choice for a place to host it. The U.S. had an amazing cup, and we could have had another. The people that come here enjoy far more freedoms than they will in Qatar without the risk of being targeted for being a Westerner. I can't imagine that many women will want to go there. The Cup should be a party atmosphere, and Qatar is not that( unless you count their numerous human rights violations and sex trafficking).
lodgebo
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Subject: Re: Russia 2018, Qatar 2022 Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:36 am
One thing that has annoyed me about the result is this bid is the attitude of the England team at losing, all we have heard is how corrupt FIFA is and how wrong the whole process is etc etc now everyone is entitled to an opinion and a majority of what they are saying maybe correct but all of that was forgotten when they were cosying up to all these corrupt offcial and now they didn' get what they want they are going to bad mouth them , well I am sorry but I would have more respet for an FA fight against FIFA if they had fought corruption for the good of the game and not for the good fo themselves.
White Tiger
Number of posts : 586 Age : 37 Where I am : Portsmouth, Hampshire Reputation : 6 Registration date : 2007-11-20
Subject: Re: Russia 2018, Qatar 2022 Sat Dec 04, 2010 9:00 am
It has sounded like sour grapes in truth but if it is true that those in FIFA and those in the know said England had the best bid, the best presentation and so on then it does seem a bit wierd that the bid didn't get past the first round. It would make more sense, if England's bid was the best on the table, for England to get through to the final picks but lose because FIFA want to support "developing" Football nation but instead it appears that FIFA just didn't like the BBC - in their capacity as an independent, (supposedly) unbiased company - looking into allegations of corruption within FIFA and decided to punish the English bid.
As a non-fan of the England Football Team and someone who doesn't follow International Football my reaction has been "you lost, get over it" but as a critic of Sepp Blatter and FIFA I cannot help but wonder if there was some underhand tactics being deployed in the voting system and wishing for an independent inquiry into the inner workings of that organisation - but as a critic of Sepp Blatter I know he will never allow an outside inquiry into the inner working of FIFA to happen.
lodgebo
Number of posts : 524 Age : 47 Where I am : Edinburgh where drink is cheap and women are cheaper Reputation : 10 Registration date : 2007-11-20
Subject: Re: Russia 2018, Qatar 2022 Sat Dec 04, 2010 6:16 pm
Just read on Yahoo that there is talk of playing the 2022 World cup in January because it's to hot to play in the summer, apparently Quatar has technology that can contorl the temprature in the stadiums but a January WC might be seen as a better and cheaper option. If they do this it will cause chaos throughout Europe and other leagues that play through winter it is going to be a disaster really. If the temp is to hot in summer that should have been thought about in the beggining.
Schmiggens
Number of posts : 1397 Age : 43 Where I am : 'Straylia Reputation : 14 Registration date : 2007-11-16
Subject: Re: Russia 2018, Qatar 2022 Sat Dec 04, 2010 11:11 pm
Australia losing the bid means my state looses $250 million in federal funding for our new sports stadium, which sucks.
I didn't think Australia's bid was very strong, our video was shockingly poor, it was like a tourist commercial based on Kangaroo Jack, whoever came up with that idea needs to be shot. Can we not put Crocodile Dundee in everything? It's like the whole thing was made by foreigners who still think that's all we have to offer the world.
No one outside Australia would have any idea who most of the "famous" people in the campaign are. It was a weak ass bid. How about mentioning the success we had with the Sydney Olympics? The fact that football is a huge sport here, that the Socceroos have done amazingly well in the last two World Cups for a "small" football nation? I know the whole bid is not built on the strength of the video presentation, but compared to the other videos it was a poor effort.
Qatar by far had the best presentation video:
Qatar:
Russia
All up the World Cup bid is rumoured to have used $46 million in government funds. Which would've been fine if we'd won, we would've recouped that, but jesus, that's a lot of money to waste to get nothing back.
Mr. F
Number of posts : 1216 Age : 57 Where I am : san diego Reputation : 2 Registration date : 2007-01-25
Subject: Re: Russia 2018, Qatar 2022 Sun Dec 05, 2010 10:39 pm
Qatar won the cup with an 'above the table' bribe. They must build several new air-conditioned stadia in order to host the tournament. Since a country that size only needs one or two, they promised to dismantle and ship the stadia to impoverished countries around the region after the cup. Five of the 22 people voting stand to gain a free $900 million soccer stadium. Who do you think they voted for?
lodgebo
Number of posts : 524 Age : 47 Where I am : Edinburgh where drink is cheap and women are cheaper Reputation : 10 Registration date : 2007-11-20
Subject: Re: Russia 2018, Qatar 2022 Mon Dec 06, 2010 6:25 am
There were bribes in some shape or form from all countries I mean onl yesterday London mayor Boris Johnson pretty much admitted that FIFA reps getting the 5 star hotel treatment in London for the Olympics was dependent on England getting the nod for 2018, nobody is whiter than white when there is massive profit to be made.
I really think though that FIFA shoule be considering having a ssytem where every continent has a chance to host the world cup. For example after 2022 you could decide that a European antion will hold it in 2026 and onl European nations could be bid and so on for every major continent. You could also start the bidding earlier so if no Middle eastern nation for example bids when it is there turn then it's open to anyone. Can't see it happening but I think it would help nations spending shed loads of cash on bids they have no realistic chance of getting.
White Tiger
Number of posts : 586 Age : 37 Where I am : Portsmouth, Hampshire Reputation : 6 Registration date : 2007-11-20
Subject: Re: Russia 2018, Qatar 2022 Mon Dec 06, 2010 10:42 am
Changes should happen but they wont. Why should Blatter change things Lodge? He's rich and getting richer, he's wined and dined by the worlds elete and has been above the law for the last three decades. There's no incentive for him to change anything.
lodgebo
Number of posts : 524 Age : 47 Where I am : Edinburgh where drink is cheap and women are cheaper Reputation : 10 Registration date : 2007-11-20
Subject: Re: Russia 2018, Qatar 2022 Mon Dec 06, 2010 5:01 pm
well he obviously wont change things but as I said before replace and the new guy that comes in gets wined and dined and theres no incentive for him to change things eithier.
White Tiger
Number of posts : 586 Age : 37 Where I am : Portsmouth, Hampshire Reputation : 6 Registration date : 2007-11-20
Subject: Re: Russia 2018, Qatar 2022 Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:10 pm
Then we should just boycott FIFA. As people and nations outraged by what appears to be corruption and idiocy in the global governing body of football the most obvious sollution to changing this system would be to leave FIFA altogether and form a new rival governing body. Lets face it, FIFA is only powerful as long as the nations within it support it and if England and Spain left it then FIFA's power would be reduced as those are the two top domestic footballing nations in the world and would continue to be so without FIFA and their influence on world football is such that other footballing nations such as Scotland, Japan and Australia and the USA would probably follow their lead. The fallout for this World Cup decision could very well end in a number of nation leaving FIFA - or at least threatening to - as the only people, judging from the internet reaction, who seem happy with these choices are the Russians and Quatari.
White Tiger
Number of posts : 586 Age : 37 Where I am : Portsmouth, Hampshire Reputation : 6 Registration date : 2007-11-20
Subject: Re: Russia 2018, Qatar 2022 Fri Dec 17, 2010 11:40 pm
Couple of things to note. Since the fall out from this decision these things have happened:
The Swiss Government have vowed to investigate all sporting bodies whose headquarters are located in Switzerland following allegations of corruption and bribes. Some internet rumours have claim Sepp Blatter has threatened to move FIFA's headquarters from Switzerland should this happen - these are currently just rumours.
Sepp Blatter had accused the English of being bad losers and petty but has also admitted that it was never FIFA's intention to give either tournament to an established footballing nation but to emerging nations where "new markets" for football could be opened.
Jack Warner, head of CONCACAF, has also stated that it was never FIFA's intention to give the tournaments to places where football was already established and this is why Russia (a nation that could do with investment in Football) and Quatar (a nation that has a very poor level of football) won.
Blatter and Warner have both blamed the English press for England's failed bid, claiming that FIFA would never award the tournament to a nation that had "insulted" FIFA.
Franz Beckenbauer, German legend and member of FIFA's Executive Committee, has criticised FIFA for its handling of the vote. Beckenbauer claims that all ExCo members were told that neither they nor the public would know how many votes each bid got but would only know which bids advanced in each round. He claims FIFA has spent far too much time criticising the losing bids and not enough time praising the winning bids. He says "my faith in FIFA is limited"
British Supermarket Chain Morrisons is looking into the possibility of suing FIFA for the equivilent of £1million - the amount they put into England's bid - beause they say FIFA's indication that they were looking to move the tournament to new territories meant the England bid never stood a chance and the bidding process was therefore unfair. If they follow through with this and win they will invest the £1million into grass roots football within the UK.
Ghana's FA have been raided by the Economic and Organized Crime Office of that nation and documents have been taken to help in an investigation into reports of malfeasance. A court order was given after the GFA refused to make those documents avaiable to investigators. FIFA have threatened to take action against the Ghana unless the countries government stops the investigation and leaves the GFA to operate independently of them.
Schmiggens
Number of posts : 1397 Age : 43 Where I am : 'Straylia Reputation : 14 Registration date : 2007-11-16
Subject: Re: Russia 2018, Qatar 2022 Sun Dec 19, 2010 2:03 am
If it was their intention to never give to an established nation, they should have made that clear before hand, what an enormous waste of money for the nations who lost just because they were never really in the running in the first place. I hope Australia sues FIFA to recover the $46 million we wasted on our bid. If all the nations who were exempt but still bid sued, FIFA would be in a hell of a lot of trouble.
lodgebo
Number of posts : 524 Age : 47 Where I am : Edinburgh where drink is cheap and women are cheaper Reputation : 10 Registration date : 2007-11-20
Subject: Re: Russia 2018, Qatar 2022 Sun Dec 19, 2010 8:17 am
I suppose it's a tough call really Russia was the clear favourite from day one and were always going to get it depsite what the English media will tell you. Quatar was a very out there bid and one that I think FIFA themselves are beggining to regret however I can undersatnd on some levek what they are doing because FIFA are duty bound to promote the game in all countries. Now maybe they could have told all the established nations that they shouldnt bother bidding but we all know the backlash from that if they did so they were between a rock and hard place now that was of there own doing but they were going to slaughtered eithier way.
I do though agree that Englands attitude to lsign the bid was very sore and the clsaims of corruption etc etc would have been swept under the carpet if they had won the right to host the world cup so really it's ok to be corrupt as long as we get the world cup. Fact is from day one Russia was the favourite and when you look at the stadia and there plans they probably desreved it.
As for Morrisons and others suing FIFA well good luck with that but i thiknthe Swiss courts ( I imagine that is where a hearing would be) would tell them to stop wasting there time mainly because FIFA will pull rank and say Warner was misquoted or made a mistake and if they do that then how do you prove it you could show evidence of bribery etc but if you do that you look liky a hypocrite really.
White Tiger
Number of posts : 586 Age : 37 Where I am : Portsmouth, Hampshire Reputation : 6 Registration date : 2007-11-20
Subject: Re: Russia 2018, Qatar 2022 Sun Dec 19, 2010 10:00 am
Without the knowledge that FIFA was favoring moving the World Cup to a country that needed investment in football Russia wasn't the favorite it was one of the front runners along with England and Spain/Portugal. Russia only became the favorite when the knowledge of FIFA's desire to move the tournment to countries that needed investment was known, at which point every other bid for the 2018 World Cup became invalid.
Jack Warner publically said, before the vote, that England was long overdue another World Cup and that their bid was excellent, everybody who has commented on the Enland bid say it was excellent in every aspect. The fact that it only got two votes screams of dogdy dealings behind the scene, or else some hidden criteria or change in criteria that ruled them out of the running.
FIFA may have faced some kind of backlash for telling established nations not to bid for the tournament but it would have been far more preferable to those nations to be told up front that FIFA were looking to move the tournament to an emerging nation instead of an established one rather than be strung alongby FIFA into thinking they were having a fair shot and spend millions and millions of pounds/dollars/euroes on bids that never had a chance, then be humilitated in the vote.
FIFA was totally in the wrong for not making that desire known to all from the start. It would have been far better for the image of FIFA if they had been open and honest from the start and not shied away from telling the truth and there would have been none of this backlash from the vote.